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		<title>By: Sheryll Hinch</title>
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		<title>By: Marget Frailey</title>
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		<description>hey,Fantastic article dude! i am just Fed up with using RSS feeds and do you use twitter?so i can follow you there:D. 
PS:Do you thought to be putting video to the blog posts to keep the people more interested?I think it works., Marget Frailey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey,Fantastic article dude! i am just Fed up with using RSS feeds and do you use twitter?so i can follow you there:D.<br />
PS:Do you thought to be putting video to the blog posts to keep the people more interested?I think it works., Marget Frailey</p>
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		<title>By: Kinet Kipmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kinet Kipmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 10:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a great post. One thing that I find the most helpful is number five. Sometimes when I write, I just let the flow of the words and information come out so much that I loose the purpose. It’s only after editing when I realize what I’ve done. There’s defiantly a lot of great tips here I’m going to try to be more aware of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a great post. One thing that I find the most helpful is number five. Sometimes when I write, I just let the flow of the words and information come out so much that I loose the purpose. It’s only after editing when I realize what I’ve done. There’s defiantly a lot of great tips here I’m going to try to be more aware of.</p>
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		<title>By: Edmonton mindy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great info – I loved reading it! I always love browsing good blogs. Have a great day! Can I subscibe to your site?</description>
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		<description>Great articles &amp; Nice a site. Im bookmarking as we speak!</description>
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		<title>By: David Byro</title>
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		<title>By: Barefoot</title>
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		<description>I really enjoy the way you thought this through from all angles. And I agree with you on all points. 

Also, pshychologically buying a primary dwelling is the only way many people can save or invest in an asset in a disciplined way and at least have something to show after 20 years. Without that compulsory bond repayment every month it would just be too easy to use your spare cash to splurge out and enjoy life. And perhaps that&#039;s what your early twenties are for. Life is about more than building an invesment portfolio :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoy the way you thought this through from all angles. And I agree with you on all points. </p>
<p>Also, pshychologically buying a primary dwelling is the only way many people can save or invest in an asset in a disciplined way and at least have something to show after 20 years. Without that compulsory bond repayment every month it would just be too easy to use your spare cash to splurge out and enjoy life. And perhaps that&#8217;s what your early twenties are for. Life is about more than building an invesment portfolio <img src='http://morethanmoney.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ludwig</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your example got me thinking again.

At the 12-year mark, our tenant has a slight edge (about R200 000) on her overall portfolio, while her rent payments have caught up with the bond payments of the homeowner (which I calculated as about R9 100 for a 20-year bond). It looks like her days of prosperity are counted... Let&#039;s look at what happens next!

The homeowner still has 8 years to go on his bond. For the next 8 years, it&#039;s his turn to have excess money to invest in an attractive asset class. Let&#039;s assume that he invests the difference between the tenant&#039;s rent and his fixed bond payment each month, and also receives 11% tax-free per year on this investment. The tenant, on the other hand, spends all that rent just to have a roof over her head, and makes no new investment. This way, their financial situations remain comparable. Her R1.7 million lump sum keeps growing at 11% per year, however. At the same time, the homeowner&#039;s property also keeps growing in value, albeit at a modest 7% per year.

After 20 years, the homeowner&#039;s bond is finally paid off. The poor tenant&#039;s rent is still rising with inflation, and this represents money she cannot invest. The homeowner continues to invest this rent amount each month in an investment returning 11% per year, while their past investments also continue growing at their respective rates.

If this is the whole picture, the homeowner&#039;s portfolio (1 property + further investment @ 11%) will slowly catch up with the tenant&#039;s growing lump. This can be surprisingly slow, thanks to the investment head start of the tenant. In our example, the homeowner only breaks even with the tenant after 20.5 years. After that, the difference grows exponentially, but at a slow rate. After 40 years, the homeowner will have R42 million compared to the tenant&#039;s R37 million.

But this is not the whole picture... I&#039;m taking on your statement: &quot;Until someone pointed out (what should have been obvious) to me what happens to your rent at the start of every year and continues to do so for the rest of your life, while your home loan instalment stays fairly stable for 20 years and then disappears.&quot; :-) Sure, your bond instalment disappears, but it is replaced by rates and taxes, and home maintenance costs. You don&#039;t stay in your house for free. These costs grow at the inflation rate for the rest of your life. They may be much lower than the corresponding rent payment on the same house, but the comparison of buy versus rent turns out to be very sensitive.

For our example, I took the monthly rates and taxes to be 10% of the corresponding rent payment, while the maintenance is coupled to the property value (1% of the value yearly - not sure if this is realistic?). Both these costs grow at 7% annually. If you reduce the money that the homeowner can invest each month by this amount, it swings the argument back in favour of the tenant. In fact, the homeowner never catches up and has a portfolio value of R32 million after 40 years, compared to the tenant&#039;s R37 million.

The moral of the story?

* It is very hard to make a clear-cut argument for either buying or renting. It is very sensitive to the exact parameter values you feed into your calculations. As these numbers are necessarily projected into the future, they may be wildly inaccurate too. I still maintain that the psychological advantages of homeownership (stability, freedom to express yourself, satisfaction of nesting urges, etc.) outweigh the hard numbers in the standard home-buying scenario.

* I think you were cleverer than your colleagues... Since property has no clear advantage, I consider it a mistake to buy property very early in your life if (when?) you can barely afford it (controversial statement of the day). This increases your financial risk for little gain, and robs you of the opportunity to kill your bond quickly and thereby reduce the money you waste on interest. The folly of youth is not that we are not buying property, it is that we are wasting all our spare cash on booze and entertainment instead of investing it in high-performance assets. This makes us tenants look bad in the long run. :-)

* The head start provided by an early investment in quality assets is impressive.

Things not covered that may be interesting:

* Killing your bond quickly (or having no bond at all) may swing the numbers back in favour of the homeowner. I am hesitant to say this, though, as property as an asset class will most likely never outperform equity and similar classes. The earlier you can put your money into a high-performing asset class, the better.

* Of course, buying lots of property at the start of a speculative bubble such as was the case 10 years ago is a great idea. Then the advantage of leveraging really comes to the fore. But that&#039;s a bit besides the main argument here, which is whether you should buy or rent your primary dwelling.

Regards,
Ludwig</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your example got me thinking again.</p>
<p>At the 12-year mark, our tenant has a slight edge (about R200 000) on her overall portfolio, while her rent payments have caught up with the bond payments of the homeowner (which I calculated as about R9 100 for a 20-year bond). It looks like her days of prosperity are counted&#8230; Let&#8217;s look at what happens next!</p>
<p>The homeowner still has 8 years to go on his bond. For the next 8 years, it&#8217;s his turn to have excess money to invest in an attractive asset class. Let&#8217;s assume that he invests the difference between the tenant&#8217;s rent and his fixed bond payment each month, and also receives 11% tax-free per year on this investment. The tenant, on the other hand, spends all that rent just to have a roof over her head, and makes no new investment. This way, their financial situations remain comparable. Her R1.7 million lump sum keeps growing at 11% per year, however. At the same time, the homeowner&#8217;s property also keeps growing in value, albeit at a modest 7% per year.</p>
<p>After 20 years, the homeowner&#8217;s bond is finally paid off. The poor tenant&#8217;s rent is still rising with inflation, and this represents money she cannot invest. The homeowner continues to invest this rent amount each month in an investment returning 11% per year, while their past investments also continue growing at their respective rates.</p>
<p>If this is the whole picture, the homeowner&#8217;s portfolio (1 property + further investment @ 11%) will slowly catch up with the tenant&#8217;s growing lump. This can be surprisingly slow, thanks to the investment head start of the tenant. In our example, the homeowner only breaks even with the tenant after 20.5 years. After that, the difference grows exponentially, but at a slow rate. After 40 years, the homeowner will have R42 million compared to the tenant&#8217;s R37 million.</p>
<p>But this is not the whole picture&#8230; I&#8217;m taking on your statement: &#8220;Until someone pointed out (what should have been obvious) to me what happens to your rent at the start of every year and continues to do so for the rest of your life, while your home loan instalment stays fairly stable for 20 years and then disappears.&#8221; <img src='http://morethanmoney.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Sure, your bond instalment disappears, but it is replaced by rates and taxes, and home maintenance costs. You don&#8217;t stay in your house for free. These costs grow at the inflation rate for the rest of your life. They may be much lower than the corresponding rent payment on the same house, but the comparison of buy versus rent turns out to be very sensitive.</p>
<p>For our example, I took the monthly rates and taxes to be 10% of the corresponding rent payment, while the maintenance is coupled to the property value (1% of the value yearly &#8211; not sure if this is realistic?). Both these costs grow at 7% annually. If you reduce the money that the homeowner can invest each month by this amount, it swings the argument back in favour of the tenant. In fact, the homeowner never catches up and has a portfolio value of R32 million after 40 years, compared to the tenant&#8217;s R37 million.</p>
<p>The moral of the story?</p>
<p>* It is very hard to make a clear-cut argument for either buying or renting. It is very sensitive to the exact parameter values you feed into your calculations. As these numbers are necessarily projected into the future, they may be wildly inaccurate too. I still maintain that the psychological advantages of homeownership (stability, freedom to express yourself, satisfaction of nesting urges, etc.) outweigh the hard numbers in the standard home-buying scenario.</p>
<p>* I think you were cleverer than your colleagues&#8230; Since property has no clear advantage, I consider it a mistake to buy property very early in your life if (when?) you can barely afford it (controversial statement of the day). This increases your financial risk for little gain, and robs you of the opportunity to kill your bond quickly and thereby reduce the money you waste on interest. The folly of youth is not that we are not buying property, it is that we are wasting all our spare cash on booze and entertainment instead of investing it in high-performance assets. This makes us tenants look bad in the long run. <img src='http://morethanmoney.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>* The head start provided by an early investment in quality assets is impressive.</p>
<p>Things not covered that may be interesting:</p>
<p>* Killing your bond quickly (or having no bond at all) may swing the numbers back in favour of the homeowner. I am hesitant to say this, though, as property as an asset class will most likely never outperform equity and similar classes. The earlier you can put your money into a high-performing asset class, the better.</p>
<p>* Of course, buying lots of property at the start of a speculative bubble such as was the case 10 years ago is a great idea. Then the advantage of leveraging really comes to the fore. But that&#8217;s a bit besides the main argument here, which is whether you should buy or rent your primary dwelling.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Ludwig</p>
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		<title>By: Barefoot</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine insights, Ludwig. And you correctly point out that I did not take the outstanding bond amount of the homeowner into account. Thanks for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine insights, Ludwig. And you correctly point out that I did not take the outstanding bond amount of the homeowner into account. Thanks for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Ludwig</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

This is a very important point you make here... One hears the following with monotonous regularity:

&quot;Don&#039;t rent - you are just throwing your money in the water. Why make *someone else* rich?&quot;

The average homeowner (who is forced to take out a bond) *still* makes someone else rich - in this case the bank, by paying interest. The potential advantage of leveraging provided by the bond only helps the homeowner when speculating on a second property in a bull market (which makes the owner decidedly non-average). Another advantage of the tenant is that her excess money may be invested in equity or similar asset classes, which will most likely outperform the property investment of the home-owner in the long run.

I agree that it is very easy to make either the tenant or the homeowner come out on top, as it is sensitive to the exact financial scenario you consider. Let&#039;s consider a slight modification of your scenario, which is a fairer comparison in my opinion. After 12 years, the R940 000 property is worth just over R2.1 million. If the homeowner decides to sell it, it will leave him and the tenant in exactly the same financial position (i.e. with nothing but cash in the hand). The only problem is that the homeowner still has about R600 000 left to pay off on his bond, leaving him with a profit of R1.5 million. The tenant, on the other hand, has R1.7 million to show for her investment strategy. This has implications if you are considering to buy a smaller &quot;temporary&quot; home before moving into a larger home 12 years down the line.

I therefore speculate that the biggest return of homeownership is psychological :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>This is a very important point you make here&#8230; One hears the following with monotonous regularity:</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t rent &#8211; you are just throwing your money in the water. Why make *someone else* rich?&#8221;</p>
<p>The average homeowner (who is forced to take out a bond) *still* makes someone else rich &#8211; in this case the bank, by paying interest. The potential advantage of leveraging provided by the bond only helps the homeowner when speculating on a second property in a bull market (which makes the owner decidedly non-average). Another advantage of the tenant is that her excess money may be invested in equity or similar asset classes, which will most likely outperform the property investment of the home-owner in the long run.</p>
<p>I agree that it is very easy to make either the tenant or the homeowner come out on top, as it is sensitive to the exact financial scenario you consider. Let&#8217;s consider a slight modification of your scenario, which is a fairer comparison in my opinion. After 12 years, the R940 000 property is worth just over R2.1 million. If the homeowner decides to sell it, it will leave him and the tenant in exactly the same financial position (i.e. with nothing but cash in the hand). The only problem is that the homeowner still has about R600 000 left to pay off on his bond, leaving him with a profit of R1.5 million. The tenant, on the other hand, has R1.7 million to show for her investment strategy. This has implications if you are considering to buy a smaller &#8220;temporary&#8221; home before moving into a larger home 12 years down the line.</p>
<p>I therefore speculate that the biggest return of homeownership is psychological <img src='http://morethanmoney.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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